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up next, tax hikes, overspending, uncertainty, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less than optimistic? joining me is john, and carl, senior economist for deutsche bank. gentlemen, thank you for being here. start with the treasury secretary. the man in charge of our treasury is out telling everyone that the administration he works for is a part of is perfectly prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in order to raise a tax rate to 39.6%. does that make any sense to you? are you shocked, surprised? >> well, i guess i'm not surprised given we're in the early stages of the discussion, but for the economists and forecasters out there calling this is the fiscal slope, not a cliff or believe it
up next, tax hikes, overspending, uncertainty, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less...
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wallace and. ♪ lou: house speaker boehner says the president is slow walking our economy to the fiscal cliff. former reagan white house counsel, financial crisis inquiry coission member peter wallace will join me here in just moments. let's take a look at tnight's "moneyline." the dow and s&p managing gains. the naaq weighed down by another bad day for apple and its investors. the dow u 81 points. s&p up four, the nasdaq fell leaven. ju er 3 billion shares traded on the big board today. the dow up 1%, s&p slihtly higher making three straight weeks of wins. the sdaq down 1% for its first losing week of the past three apple investors are having a rough time with the dow down. the stock down 9 percent this week. but even with that selling, t stock remains up 30% year-to-date. wall street analysts say muc of the selling can b explained by investors looking to avoid possibly having to pay gains on the sale of that stock at a higher rate next year. others simply taking profits. financial stocks strong. today j.p. mgan chase led the weight. news that it is expanding the numbers of its branch
wallace and. ♪ lou: house speaker boehner says the president is slow walking our economy to the fiscal cliff. former reagan white house counsel, financial crisis inquiry coission member peter wallace will join me here in just moments. let's take a look at tnight's "moneyline." the dow and s&p managing gains. the naaq weighed down by another bad day for apple and its investors. the dow u 81 points. s&p up four, the nasdaq fell leaven. ju er 3 billion shares traded on the big...
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up next, tax hikes, overspending, uncertainty, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's iefonomist, and deuche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf gets great rewas for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small busins earns 2% cash back on every purchase, ery day! helium delivery. put it on my spark rd! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settleor less? great businesses deserve great rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're onef them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] e pill eachmorning. 24 hours. zero heartbur lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&00 posting gains in december,
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stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size our bloatedgornment? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo o citi mortgage joins us next. [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language] [heart beaeating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing] [heartbeat, music playi loude ♪ i'm feeling better since you knome ♪ ♪ i was a lonely soul, but that's the old me... ♪ announcer: thisong was created with heartbeats of children ineed. find out how it can help frontline e health workers bring hope to millions of children at everybeatmatters.org. lou: new rorts show foreign investment is heingthe housg market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss thatnd much more when it comesto housing. in the money lineonight, investors waiting cautiously to s
stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size our bloatedgornment? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo o citi mortgage joins us next. [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language] [heart beaeating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing]...
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stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size of our bloated government? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>> is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo of citi mortgage joins us next. twins. i dn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligation b obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is eep. introducing the ishares core, budinglos for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 ilarge professisional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectis, risks, charges and expenses. ad and consider itarefully bere investing. ri includes possible ss of principal. lou: new reports show foreign investment is helping the housing market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss that and
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watch this whole fiscal cliff dial backfire. the -- the economy is going into recession in new year. lou: do you believe there is no way to avoid the fiscal cliff.
watch this whole fiscal cliff dial backfire. the -- the economy is going into recession in new year. lou: do you believe there is no way to avoid the fiscal cliff.
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gets to the fiscal cliff. there is major business lobbyist out there telling us right now the discussions are focusing on process. how do to it. not necessarily substance. so there are no details on what these offers exactly state. they're not even really getting out on capitol hill right now. so we're still watching it to maintain. again you've got the exchange of partial offers at least coming out of the white house and from house republicans but they still remain fairly far apart. melissa: rich, you have been right in the heart of this story from the beginning. to you, does this feel like progress? what's your opinion? >> anything at this point feels like progress but they are still stuck on the major problems that have dogged them for the last couple of years basically, not just the last couple of weeks. problems with spending cuts. problems with entitlements for democrats. problems with tax revenue for republicans on the other side. there's no movement it seems towards that right now. but again, details a
gets to the fiscal cliff. there is major business lobbyist out there telling us right now the discussions are focusing on process. how do to it. not necessarily substance. so there are no details on what these offers exactly state. they're not even really getting out on capitol hill right now. so we're still watching it to maintain. again you've got the exchange of partial offers at least coming out of the white house and from house republicans but they still remain fairly far apart. melissa:...
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we may or may not go over the fiscal cliff but regardless the economy has stalled and taxes are going up. i mean there is certainty. it is just not great certainty. >> you know, as a family-owned business after 91 years being in business we know that there's a business cycle. what we need to continue to advocate for as job creators is the virtue of free enterprise. we need to stand up for the principles that are going to allow us to provide our people employment, to create prosperity. we have to do that in a unified way because, even though the forecast can look bleak at different times, we have an incredibly resilient economy. great job create, out there given the chance which make a big difference. that is what we have to continue working on. melissa: jim, aren't you afraid of being punished either by the public or by the government for speaking out at this point? i mean i have talked privately to people on wall street who have said, you know, they feel like get pistol-whipped when they say anything against the administration. that it comes back to bite them. at this point it is bet
we may or may not go over the fiscal cliff but regardless the economy has stalled and taxes are going up. i mean there is certainty. it is just not great certainty. >> you know, as a family-owned business after 91 years being in business we know that there's a business cycle. what we need to continue to advocate for as job creators is the virtue of free enterprise. we need to stand up for the principles that are going to allow us to provide our people employment, to create prosperity. we...
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of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call. also, it has to be increases in rates for the wealthy or no deal. >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president to be serious and come back with a counter offer. [inaudible question] >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60-70% of the new jobs in our country. that is the whole issue. [inaudible question]
of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the...
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when it coms to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do you say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actually some pty strong incentives for the president to take the country over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, therare very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president uld identify himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some ofhis funding that my secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff told me i need to restore and can position himself as sort of the protector of u.s. national security. so there are some clear incentives to the president to lead the country over the fiscal cliff
when it coms to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do you say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actually some pty strong incentives for the president to take the country over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff,...
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and cut a deal that hurts growth,o from a year from now we'll have a worse fiscal cliff. we have a 16 trillion-dollar debt. these tax increases do nothing to self, you have 200,000 less jobs next year for, that those who vote for that will be held responsible for that decision. neil: is it terrible public policy if you leave off the table. what accounts the majority of spending off the table. if you leave out medicare, and medicaid, and don't even pry to bridge up -- try to bring up social security, 8 democratic members and congressmen marked that, don't touch these entitlements, one of next. ♪ [ gine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter ent back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 for $349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. >> the cuts to medicaid are not the solution. medicaid and medicare, we can discuss that later. don't make medicare and medicaid a part of this fiscal reduction program. >> we're not budging on medicare, and
and cut a deal that hurts growth,o from a year from now we'll have a worse fiscal cliff. we have a 16 trillion-dollar debt. these tax increases do nothing to self, you have 200,000 less jobs next year for, that those who vote for that will be held responsible for that decision. neil: is it terrible public policy if you leave off the table. what accounts the majority of spending off the table. if you leave out medicare, and medicaid, and don't even pry to bridge up -- try to bring up social...
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. >> t longer they slow down the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> two .o.p. lawmakers here to share their reactions next. can china take over america? is it already happening under our noses? why one author says absolutely, s. also, ford motor company under fire for misleading customers. it's enough to make your blood boil. we'll weigh in on the hybrids' possible false advertising. possible false advertising. we're on the case next on " twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes invement objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven
. >> t longer they slow down the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> two .o.p. lawmakers here to share their reactions next. can china take over america? is it already happening under our noses? why one author says absolutely, s. also, ford motor company under fire for misleading customers. it's enough to make your blood boil. we'll weigh in on the hybrids' possible false advertising. possible false advertising. we're on the case next on " twins. i...
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the mortgage deduction pieces per the fiscal cliff could throw a short-term wrinkle in there. domestic energy is a huge boom in the economy right now. there are some bright spots. the problem is to add them all up and it still does not come anywhere near what the consumer represents in the economy. i don't think it will be a drag on the economy for the ongoing deleveraging still necessary, income growthhfairly weak relatively slow job recovery, that these of the economy is still likely to be slow growth mode. tracy: a fiscal cliff is a drag on confidence whether you understand the implications of it or not, just hearing it is enough to make you want to hide under your pillow, right? what is your thought on this? consumers have not so much been whistling past the graveyard on the issue, only more recently, to the realization of what this could possibly mean for them ant also some positive to focus on which his housing and gasoline prices. businesses have been dealing with the uncertainty factor for many months now. the only potential good news is we might have front end loaded
the mortgage deduction pieces per the fiscal cliff could throw a short-term wrinkle in there. domestic energy is a huge boom in the economy right now. there are some bright spots. the problem is to add them all up and it still does not come anywhere near what the consumer represents in the economy. i don't think it will be a drag on the economy for the ongoing deleveraging still necessary, income growthhfairly weak relatively slow job recovery, that these of the economy is still likely to be...
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>> the first part of your question, if the economy went off of the fiscal cliff our assessment, outside forecasters all think that would have significant adverse effect on the economy and the unemployment rate so on the margin, we would do what we could, we would increase a bit. but i want to be clear we cannot offset the full impact of the fiscal cliff. it is too big given the tools available and limitations on our policy tool kit. in terms of the terminology, people have different preferencess what they call things, the sensible term, the fiscal policies, providing support to the economy if fiscal policy is confectionary the economy will i think go off the cliff. it is reasonable to be concerned about this. i don't buy the idea that a short-term the send off of the fiscal cliff would be not possibly. i think it would be costly and we are already seeing costs. why is it consumer confidence dropped so sharply this week? why is that small business confidence dropped sharply? why are the market's volatile? why is business investment among the weakest levels during the recovery? i think al
>> the first part of your question, if the economy went off of the fiscal cliff our assessment, outside forecasters all think that would have significant adverse effect on the economy and the unemployment rate so on the margin, we would do what we could, we would increase a bit. but i want to be clear we cannot offset the full impact of the fiscal cliff. it is too big given the tools available and limitations on our policy tool kit. in terms of the terminology, people have different...
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dandy. >> i think people are getting burned out with all the fiscal cliff top. we cannot give up. we are america. stuart: they have given up. where do you. the group
dandy. >> i think people are getting burned out with all the fiscal cliff top. we cannot give up. we are america. stuart: they have given up. where do you. the group
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irrespective of the fiscal cliff, we are going to have $270 billion in tax hikes that start effective january 1. thank you, obamacare. nancy pelosi has said that if you want to find out what's in it, just pass it. we are finding out and we are going to have a terrific group of people, including john cruz, the vice president of hsbc, who is the whistleblower on the $1.9 billion in fines if they just had to pay for money laundering along with middle eastern terrorists. mexican drug cartels, african dictators, all of the really nice people that they had no idea where problem. by the way, nobody going to jail will be taking that up. we will have coming up next. tracy: all right, "lou dobbs tonight" at 7:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. eastern. when we come back, how to beat the street. covering your assets with tips with picking winners on wall street. stay with us you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, l
irrespective of the fiscal cliff, we are going to have $270 billion in tax hikes that start effective january 1. thank you, obamacare. nancy pelosi has said that if you want to find out what's in it, just pass it. we are finding out and we are going to have a terrific group of people, including john cruz, the vice president of hsbc, who is the whistleblower on the $1.9 billion in fines if they just had to pay for money laundering along with middle eastern terrorists. mexican drug cartels,...
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that suggested everyone seems to be focused on the fiscal cliff. when you are focused on uncertainty, what do you do, you do nothing. those are the major implementations for the economy. cheryl: i can hear the hesitancy in your voice. a lot of our guests are saying the same thing. they are afraid of what washington will do or maybe not do. your outlook is a bit more bullish than some of your colleagues. what are you saying in the second half of 2013 that others are not? >> on a very short-term basis, we have noticed there are a couple of things. the fiscal cliff. we cannot get out of the way of that. if you look at to the second half of 2013 that we can get some resolution, we may not like the total resolution, but if we can, you move past a period of uncertainty. three things have started in 2012 that could accelerate in 2013. housing is key. cheryl: it has done incredibly well this year. >> the second aspect is what is going on with the energy field, in terms of technology and energy less dependence for the u.s. the third factor is what is going
that suggested everyone seems to be focused on the fiscal cliff. when you are focused on uncertainty, what do you do, you do nothing. those are the major implementations for the economy. cheryl: i can hear the hesitancy in your voice. a lot of our guests are saying the same thing. they are afraid of what washington will do or maybe not do. your outlook is a bit more bullish than some of your colleagues. what are you saying in the second half of 2013 that others are not? >> on a very...
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connell: sending the two-party over the fiscal cliff. a number of conservatives that say the president is getting offered too much. dagen: walt has his review. there are some things he says you need to know about. the u.s. economy added 111,000 private sector jobs according to adp. a bit weaker than expected. because of impacts from hurricane sandy. the bank saying it is looking for ways to cut expenses. those cuts amount to 4% of the companies workforce and is estimated to save $1.1 billion every year. stocks now and every 15 minutes. nicole petallides. nicole: we are looking at a market that is to the downside. let's take a look at citigroup. it is about 4% of the workforce. citigroup is higher. it has had an up arrow throughout the day today. we saw the dow jones industrials this week to the downside. we had two consecutive days in selling. down arrows for the nasdaq. down 1.1%. connell: breaking news out of washington. earlier, speaker boehner speaking about the fiscal cliff. now it is president obama. let's listen. >> we have emerge
connell: sending the two-party over the fiscal cliff. a number of conservatives that say the president is getting offered too much. dagen: walt has his review. there are some things he says you need to know about. the u.s. economy added 111,000 private sector jobs according to adp. a bit weaker than expected. because of impacts from hurricane sandy. the bank saying it is looking for ways to cut expenses. those cuts amount to 4% of the companies workforce and is estimated to save $1.1 billion...
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the fiscal cliff potentially sending the economy into recession. the fear of the cliff. is that putting a veil over your eyes and pretending you seeing good news that could make better trades for your portfolio? you need to see the forest for the trees. to help do that, liz saunders in a fox business exclusive, charles schwab's vice president and chief investment strategist. what is the biggest mistake that the investor is making right now as it pertains to navigating that very rocky fiscal cliff landscape? >> they are trying to trade around perceived outcomes. that is fairly treacherous. we don't get a sense that a lot of investors are doing that -- [talking over each other] liz: there were buying in on the dips because they are trading around he headlines. >> there's a lot of tax related strategy happening right now, many of which make a lot of sense, but i have asked the question of loss, what would you put money on a particular outcome? i wouldn't. that is a dangerous strategy. >> one scenario could be as damaging as another. we can gain that at this point, what shou
the fiscal cliff potentially sending the economy into recession. the fear of the cliff. is that putting a veil over your eyes and pretending you seeing good news that could make better trades for your portfolio? you need to see the forest for the trees. to help do that, liz saunders in a fox business exclusive, charles schwab's vice president and chief investment strategist. what is the biggest mistake that the investor is making right now as it pertains to navigating that very rocky fiscal...
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right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. gerri: earlier i asked republican senator richard shelby of alabama for his take on the comments from boehner. >> i believe that saker boehner is on the right track. the president has not come uptown now, been deeply involved, that we know about , in any of these offers are counteroffers. campaigning to meet.been but he has to get involved if he wants to avoid the fiscal cliff. i think that the speaker has indicated that h will try to engage in, try to meet him and try to avoid the fiscal cleft that the presiient is going to continue to say it is my way or the highway, thats another game. gerri: it is. harry reid today saying that the game isat chess game, and the republicans are the jets. here is harry reid. >> he has a problem. he has three quarterbacks. he cannot decide who the quarterback is going to be. that is the same problem republicans are having. romney is gone, but he is still inhe background. we have mcconnell and boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? gerr what d
right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. gerri: earlier i asked republican senator richard shelby of alabama for his take on the comments from boehner. >> i believe that saker boehner is on the right track. the president has not come uptown now, been deeply involved, that we know about , in any of these offers are counteroffers. campaigning to meet.been but he has to get involved if he wants to avoid the fiscal cliff. i think that the speaker has indicated that h will try to engage in, try...
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i think that just discounting any probability we have a fiscal cliff, if we do, and negotiations brick down, then market i think will be way overpriced for the very difficult economy. we'll see in the first half of next year. lou: we might see it before the end of the year, if it is clear, this may be part of the game, they try to keep in am pickous to whether or not there will be a dial, that would be a slick portion of this negotiation. i do not know what to make of it. i do think this republicans are now incentivized to go over the cliff, and seek sequest raising sequestration in force. it gives republicans want they want, two-for-one spending cuts to tax hikes it gets intresting. >> it is, some of the commentary i've seen, suggestions that the president i talking about more x increases than spending cuts, that is -- >> 2 to 1. >> yeah contrary to the original agreement. lou: well imagine that. president turning things on its head, john silvio thank you. >> thank you. lou: and straightening us out. looking now at "new york times" bestseller list, i thought this week was really, news
i think that just discounting any probability we have a fiscal cliff, if we do, and negotiations brick down, then market i think will be way overpriced for the very difficult economy. we'll see in the first half of next year. lou: we might see it before the end of the year, if it is clear, this may be part of the game, they try to keep in am pickous to whether or not there will be a dial, that would be a slick portion of this negotiation. i do not know what to make of it. i do think this...
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we are a low-flying economy that's susceptible to downdrafts, and the fiscal cliff could provide that, but evaluations point to under evaluation at 15% and 20%. liz: charles, you got the bear claws out. i know you are cautious on a regular basis. we've known each other a long time, but, look, it's obvious that the headline risk is high closer and closer to the cliff, but let's say we get a deal or don't. you say we'll see weak equities in 2013, why? don't you have faith we're starting to see recoveries in the housing markets, certain metrics better. >> well, take home pay -- after tax income is up $300 billion this year over last year. 6.6 trillion in aggregate. how much taxes go up? a hundred bill, 500 billion? how can you have economic growth if the tax increases take away almost all the gain this year? now, also, know that the 300 billion gain cost the economy over a trillion dollars in subsidies. we have deficits and fed printing money of over a trillion dollars, all of that generated a 300 billion gain. ineffective and inefficient, but looks better than no gain, i guess. what i s
we are a low-flying economy that's susceptible to downdrafts, and the fiscal cliff could provide that, but evaluations point to under evaluation at 15% and 20%. liz: charles, you got the bear claws out. i know you are cautious on a regular basis. we've known each other a long time, but, look, it's obvious that the headline risk is high closer and closer to the cliff, but let's say we get a deal or don't. you say we'll see weak equities in 2013, why? don't you have faith we're starting to see...
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liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the potential effect on our money, should we not be focusing on these other issues and somehow bulletproof our investments as it pertains to each one of these concerns. we talk about doubling up. >> we should make pay more attention to europe. the attention we're paying to the fiscal cliff is not actually productive. in fact, it is leading to polarization of positions that have to be negotiated in private, and the lesson here from washington, the better i like the fiscal cliff. liz: the talks were secret today. >> might notice the financial markets are not actually very volatile in response to the special fiscal cliff. we should let it go. -@something will be resolved evn if it is only postponement, which i suppose sinc into the mt likely outcome. liz: talk mother three hidden risks bubbling up. we'll put the him on the facebok page. thank you, it is an honor to have you here. do you have a facebook page? >> the volatility institute. >> one of her students will help you put together. good to see you, professor. the closing be
liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the potential effect on our money, should we not be focusing on these other issues and somehow bulletproof our investments as it pertains to each one of these concerns. we talk about doubling up. >> we should make pay more attention to europe. the attention we're paying to the fiscal cliff is not actually productive. in fact, it is leading to polarization of positions that have to be negotiated in private, and the lesson...
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that deadline isn't even the real fiscal cliff. david: that strategist is none other than peter schiff, ceo of europacific precious metals. friend of the show. peter, although i wish it was under better circumstances. you say the real cliff coming is bigger han the housing mess, bigger than the housing crisis we went through. it's the bond mess. specifically when the fed stops printing money to buy up treasurys all hell will break loose, right? >> well, and if it continues to print money it will be a bigger hell. if we avoid the fiscal cliff we end up throwing the dollar over the currency cliff because we send a message to the world america will never pay its bills. we'll keep borrowing money until the creditors cut us off. that is when interest rates skyrocket. the pressure on the fed and if the fed caves in to buy up all the bonds nobody wants we destroy the dollar. that is even bigger crisis than if we let the bond market collapse and let it take the economy with it. liz: let's not start so macro. we're throwing out this term th
that deadline isn't even the real fiscal cliff. david: that strategist is none other than peter schiff, ceo of europacific precious metals. friend of the show. peter, although i wish it was under better circumstances. you say the real cliff coming is bigger han the housing mess, bigger than the housing crisis we went through. it's the bond mess. specifically when the fed stops printing money to buy up treasurys all hell will break loose, right? >> well, and if it continues to print money...
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and we have the fiscal cliff in the united states. we're three weeks away from that. it's incomprehensible to me personally that we can still be facing that issue -- david: is a possible recession on the horizon? >> well, i hope not. i think that the ramifications of the fiscal cliff, um, will be important. i'm optimistic that we're going to get some leadership in washington that'll actually save us from having to go off that cliff or down that hill, if you will. but i think we are -- there's uncertainty. and whenever there's uncertainty, the market will have less volume in it. liz: tom kloet, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. liz: ceo of the tmx group. david: a u.s. plant right in the heart of canada. they don't realize it yet. [laughter] good to see you. >> thank you. david: well, is now the time to buy apple? a morningstar senior equity analyst thinks so and says some of the blame for the recent decline should fall on washington. why? find out why, coming next. liz: plus, choice hotels expanding its upscale brand right here in america. they must believe tha
and we have the fiscal cliff in the united states. we're three weeks away from that. it's incomprehensible to me personally that we can still be facing that issue -- david: is a possible recession on the horizon? >> well, i hope not. i think that the ramifications of the fiscal cliff, um, will be important. i'm optimistic that we're going to get some leadership in washington that'll actually save us from having to go off that cliff or down that hill, if you will. but i think we are --...
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connell: to that point, if you are right about that, and the fiscal cliff does give push forward in some form again, if it is not may be priced in, the market may have a little bit of room to rally on it. if you look at the economy, it is actually doing okay. i think those things go away if we get a deal. i don't think that is priced in at all. connell: great to have you on. thank you for joining us today. >> my pleasure. dagen: a stock alert for you. it could be a record-setting day at fedex. this could be the busiest day in the company's history. they have about 300,000 permanent workers worldwide. they add an additional 20,000 workers for the seasonal work. it is up 1%. goldman sachs, speaking of the economy: even in the firm's baseline forecast, you can expect economic slowdown in early 2013. things will be even worse if washington cannot cut a deal. financial conditions will very likely be cliff like, early january. connell: stick around for the story coming out of australia. the police there are warning drivers that a problem with apple maps can actually be deathly. dagen: gerri ma
connell: to that point, if you are right about that, and the fiscal cliff does give push forward in some form again, if it is not may be priced in, the market may have a little bit of room to rally on it. if you look at the economy, it is actually doing okay. i think those things go away if we get a deal. i don't think that is priced in at all. connell: great to have you on. thank you for joining us today. >> my pleasure. dagen: a stock alert for you. it could be a record-setting day at...
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up to the fiscal cliff. doing that puts jobs in our country in danger. it jeopardizes a golden opportunity to make 2013 the year that there will be a fundamental tax and entitlement reform that will begin to solve our countries debt problem and, frankly, revenue problem. as you can see from this chart, real revenue growth is critically important. as long as, real cuts and spending, if we are going to solve our long-term fiscal problem. old on -- taking on the big challenges our country is facing. republicans are ready and eager to do just that. we made a reasonable offer. it is now up to the white house to show us how they are going to cut spending and give us the balanced agreement the president has talked about for weeks. the president will step up and show us he is willing to make the spending cuts that are needed, i think, we could do some great stuff in the days ahead. if not, this chart will look a whole lot worse. and, our kids and grandkids, are the ones that will suffer. because washington was too s
up to the fiscal cliff. doing that puts jobs in our country in danger. it jeopardizes a golden opportunity to make 2013 the year that there will be a fundamental tax and entitlement reform that will begin to solve our countries debt problem and, frankly, revenue problem. as you can see from this chart, real revenue growth is critically important. as long as, real cuts and spending, if we are going to solve our long-term fiscal problem. old on -- taking on the big challenges our country is...
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i don't think it matters to your point what happens with the fiscal cliff. the economy is at stalemate. unemployment, we look at jobs report tomorrow, is dismal. we're liking inflationary environment down the road. this is bad news. >> you could could make the argument invite blowing past short term helpful, long term payne full. melissa: spending cuts, tax hikes are very dramatic going over the cliff. when you look at numbers, still is like five to one raising taxes to cutting spending. >> that's right. melissa: no one is really talking about cutting spending. isn't that the first thing you would do? if your fiscal house was in such disarray, household at home, first thing you do is stop spending. no one is doing that. >> what scares me, is that point. whether you agree or disagree hiking taxes i am not a fan of it but i think it will come. we can get past this. charlie gasparino and i have argued this. one of the consequences of the election the president will probably get his way raising most rates. melissa: right. >> i'm not saying i'm a fan. let's get p
i don't think it matters to your point what happens with the fiscal cliff. the economy is at stalemate. unemployment, we look at jobs report tomorrow, is dismal. we're liking inflationary environment down the road. this is bad news. >> you could could make the argument invite blowing past short term helpful, long term payne full. melissa: spending cuts, tax hikes are very dramatic going over the cliff. when you look at numbers, still is like five to one raising taxes to cutting spending....
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christine lagarde warned that the american economy won't grow next year without a deal on the fiscal cliff. listen to this. >> my view personally is that the best way to go forward is to have a balanced approach at that takes into account both increasing the revenue, which means, you know, either raising tax or creating new sources of revenue. and cutting spending as well. >> very interesting. europe is deep, deep in a financial crisis and ms. lagarde, who heals from tax the rich, 75% france is lecturing america, very interesting. >> meanwhile, european markets are down and because the italian prime minister mario monti m a surprise. is going to resign. and silvio berlusconi wants to replace him. europe is appalled. and people blaming the recession for not having more children. 64 births for one thousand women of child bearing age. half of the peak of the baby boom in the 1950's. our next guest has six children, counts them. and what's that-- >> and naham segal. that works. >> have i got that word? >> and light tte candles. >> if you light them i will come. >> you have six children.
christine lagarde warned that the american economy won't grow next year without a deal on the fiscal cliff. listen to this. >> my view personally is that the best way to go forward is to have a balanced approach at that takes into account both increasing the revenue, which means, you know, either raising tax or creating new sources of revenue. and cutting spending as well. >> very interesting. europe is deep, deep in a financial crisis and ms. lagarde, who heals from tax the rich,...
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cliff? >> actually, believe it or not we have had a number of bipartisan meetings going on around the hill. we've had them going on last month ore two, increasing in intensity and frequency as republicans and democrats, moderate republicans and democrats work together to solve the problem that is where it is at. you don't elect us to be idealogues. we're not bloggers. we're statesman hopefully at the end of the day to solve the problem. if america wants to punish us for that, i don't they had they will, sandra. think they will reward us. sandra: congressman, some are arguing a bad deal could be worse than no deal in actually falling off the cliff. where do you stand on that? >> i don't think there will be a bad deal. we need, i think as both the president and speaker have said, at least $4 trillion in deficit reduction. part will come from revenues. part will come from spending reductions and or improvements. i think everyone knows the shape of the universe. i happen to be a big bowles-simps
cliff? >> actually, believe it or not we have had a number of bipartisan meetings going on around the hill. we've had them going on last month ore two, increasing in intensity and frequency as republicans and democrats, moderate republicans and democrats work together to solve the problem that is where it is at. you don't elect us to be idealogues. we're not bloggers. we're statesman hopefully at the end of the day to solve the problem. if america wants to punish us for that, i don't they...
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ashley: more ahead on the economy and oh, yeah, that fiscal cliff. ftn economist lindsey piegza says washington is ignoring a much bigger problem than tax rates on the wealthy. she will explain just ahead. tracy: fox business exclusive for one company that saw its stock double after hurricane sandy. generac's ceo joins us ahead. look how oil is trading right now, basically unchanged, $86.04 a barrel. we'll be right back. tracy: it is time to make some money with charles payne. this hour we're looking at a california-based tech company. charles spent a lot of time in cali. >> yes. i'm starting to learn cali. i'm not really impressed with los angeles. i know it is a different story. ashley: not sitting in your car it's great. >> i went to the museum to see the exhibit. fantastic. anyone in l.a. should go see it. sandisk is the stock. it is a stock, we played it before. it pulled back a lot lately. i'm not sure why it pulled back so much. lately they have been doing pretty well. last night they beat the street by 46%. next year fiscal earnings estimates
ashley: more ahead on the economy and oh, yeah, that fiscal cliff. ftn economist lindsey piegza says washington is ignoring a much bigger problem than tax rates on the wealthy. she will explain just ahead. tracy: fox business exclusive for one company that saw its stock double after hurricane sandy. generac's ceo joins us ahead. look how oil is trading right now, basically unchanged, $86.04 a barrel. we'll be right back. tracy: it is time to make some money with charles payne. this hour we're...
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the longer the white house slow walk the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. herhere's what we do know. we know the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts for reforms. that is not fixing our problem, frankly, it is making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many small-business owners. but even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see. that is not fixing our problem either, just making it worse. i think the members know i am an optimist. i am hopeful we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue and there's a lot at stake. the american people sent us here to work together. toward the best possible solution, and that means cutting spending. now if the president doesn't agree with our approach, he has an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the commerce. because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious. >> to some that
the longer the white house slow walk the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. herhere's what we do know. we know the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts for reforms. that is not fixing our problem, frankly, it is making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many small-business owners. but even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see....
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while congressional leaders trade jabs on the fiscal cliff our next guest says the economy is totally at risk. without a deal we could go back into recession next couple months. joining us david blitzer, s&p dow jones indices managing director. you know, what happens if we go over the cliff but they quickly come to a resolution, they make everything retroactive back to jan 1, does that stave off recession? >> it probably saves off recession. there will be a lot of anxiety and concern. it is a long series of items. not just like one tax rule, one spending cut. it is pages and pages. never do anything in a few pages in washington. so you would have to unwind it but the concern is, and this is all growing like a labor negotiation. it doesn't start until about 11:55 p.m. at the midnight deadline. if boehner says he is going to a new year's eve party in ohio i would worry. if going home for the weekend that's fine. he has a couple weeks, all right? same thing goes for the president obviously. but, also like a labor negotiation, when the strike starts everybody goes off and spends three day
while congressional leaders trade jabs on the fiscal cliff our next guest says the economy is totally at risk. without a deal we could go back into recession next couple months. joining us david blitzer, s&p dow jones indices managing director. you know, what happens if we go over the cliff but they quickly come to a resolution, they make everything retroactive back to jan 1, does that stave off recession? >> it probably saves off recession. there will be a lot of anxiety and concern....
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and we've got a very slow economy. i don't think this fiscal cliff talks will resolve anything. nothing. charles: the whole thing, though, a lot of conservatives are saying boehner may not be that far away from obama in ideology. in other words, he's purged the tea party within the ranks of the leadership within the g.o.p. and seems to be willing to go down the same path as the president. >> i'm not sure i believe that. i think boehner's heart is in the right place, but he's caught up. it's his role to sort of grind out a deal with the president, rather than speak for the party. noww you know, stuart, in the british system, someone will stand on the floor of the house of commons in the opposition and give a major statement of the party's position in any given fight. i don't see why it should not be possible to designate somebody like paul ryan or eric cantor or even marco rubio to stand down in washington and give a major presentation. charles: if they give the presentation and the lead ser doing something different -- and the leader is doing something different, isn't that a mi
and we've got a very slow economy. i don't think this fiscal cliff talks will resolve anything. nothing. charles: the whole thing, though, a lot of conservatives are saying boehner may not be that far away from obama in ideology. in other words, he's purged the tea party within the ranks of the leadership within the g.o.p. and seems to be willing to go down the same path as the president. >> i'm not sure i believe that. i think boehner's heart is in the right place, but he's caught up....
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do you think the economy has already suffered for lack of a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> i think so. if we look at business investments declining in the third quarter, some as business nervousness. businesses are holding back on investment, near-term. lori: do agree the fittest and all they all they can in expecting an announcement of wanted it using three this week? the fed cannot solve this problem. >> they need to avoid most of the spending cuts and tax increases with economy likely to go under recession. the fed can help out somewhat but if we see those spending cuts and tax increases, we're likely to see it go back and ino recession. lori: purchasing the short-term, we invest in the long-term help in the mortgage market. we have seen a real those haitian, is it fair to say it has helped those housing in the economy? >> absolutely. housing prices are start to increase. buying long-term treasuries, buy mortgage-backed securities to help push down mortgage rates, affordability is incredibly kind giving low mortgage rates and the big price declines we've seen since th
do you think the economy has already suffered for lack of a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> i think so. if we look at business investments declining in the third quarter, some as business nervousness. businesses are holding back on investment, near-term. lori: do agree the fittest and all they all they can in expecting an announcement of wanted it using three this week? the fed cannot solve this problem. >> they need to avoid most of the spending cuts and tax increases with...
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the impact of the fiscal cliff. dennis: many are banking on more and new statement from ben bernanke and company. qe forever. cheryl: full team coverage for the entire hour, nicole petallides watching traders' reaction from the floor of the nyse, jeff flock watching action on the trading pits of the cme and we have you covered with all-star fed panel. first we begin with nicole petallides on the floor of the nyse with stocks at the top of the hour. the fed now up 6. nicole: we are up six points, we are for six day is a row for the dow jones industrial. some would say people were waiting on the fed, talk about more easing and more stimulus and traders, they were asking about extending the programs, we will see about that. as far as major market averages the dow is just above the unchanged line like the s&p 500 and the ticket in nasdaq pulling back and you see the markets are very tepid and hovering right near zero and waiting for each headline. dennis: thank you, critics are calling it q e forever. the expected in mo
the impact of the fiscal cliff. dennis: many are banking on more and new statement from ben bernanke and company. qe forever. cheryl: full team coverage for the entire hour, nicole petallides watching traders' reaction from the floor of the nyse, jeff flock watching action on the trading pits of the cme and we have you covered with all-star fed panel. first we begin with nicole petallides on the floor of the nyse with stocks at the top of the hour. the fed now up 6. nicole: we are up six...
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the fiscal cliff was created by politicians who lack the courage to do the best for the american people. and already has done severe damage to the economy. now we have democrats who want to suck money out of the economy in tax and we have rhino republicans in name only who wants spending cuts. both those things will do damag% to the economy and any compromise will damage the economy and push it further into deep recession. neither side discusses the real problem which is the enormous costs of big government. cost in money and regulations and intrusion. neither side discusses that because they are career politicians and big government is their career. dennis: what should republicans do? should they cave and let tax rates go up on the rich or hold out and let the company -- the country go over the cliff? >> they hold out and let the country go over the cliff and aasolutely insure this lending limit, borrowing limit is enforced. to force government to shrink itself. this is the only way they will do that in my opinion, to have strict term limits for politicians in the future, single term l
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stuart: are we going to get a fiscal cliff avoid dan deal? >> we may get some form of a deal. we are not going to get a real deal. i think the economy is going to be hurt and i think both sides, especially the president deserve blame. stuart: who will get the blame? >> the republicans clearly are going to get the blame and hurting themselves. stuart: but we may go into a much slower economy and hurts the president. >> bad news for the president and even worse news for the the american people. stuart: i agree with that. all right, doug, not bad the at all. >> still a democrat. stuart: is that a tag line to every interview? >> it may well be. doug, thanks very much indeed. >> the so the president has made it very, very clear, drawn a line, no fiscal cliff deal without higher tax rates for the highest earningers, tax rates have got to go up. question, what will speaker boehner have to say about that? his reaction will be new at ten this morning. mark stein is going to be here as well and he'll join us to explore that and more. we have an oil and mining deal to tell, but. freeport
stuart: are we going to get a fiscal cliff avoid dan deal? >> we may get some form of a deal. we are not going to get a real deal. i think the economy is going to be hurt and i think both sides, especially the president deserve blame. stuart: who will get the blame? >> the republicans clearly are going to get the blame and hurting themselves. stuart: but we may go into a much slower economy and hurts the president. >> bad news for the president and even worse news for the the...